. >> go right ahead. [laughter] >> a day or two before governor romney made his decision on running mates i was talking with stan greenberg, another democratic pollster and he runs a democracy corps with james carville and they have been desperately trying to use the ryan plan you know, to basically beat republican members of congress about the head with the ryan plan and with minimal success because of what you said. nobody knew who paul ryan was and as we were getting off the phone, i think i said look, i will give you this. i don't think romney, governor romney, is going to pick paul ryan but if he does, okay we will have another conversation because it strikes me that democrats have not effectively made medicare and the ryan plan -- i have seen all the polling that shows how it moves people in polls. i haven't seen them really inflict a lot of bodily damage on republicans on the ryan plan, on medicare so far. am i missing something? has it had an effect, or not? >> the flip answer would be we will fin